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		By: Mark Draughn		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1726</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Draughn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric, I responded to your comment with a more coherent explanation of how I think journalists handle this issue in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.windypundit.com/archives/2009/07/why_eric_turkewitz_still_matte.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a new post&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I responded to your comment with a more coherent explanation of how I think journalists handle this issue in <a href="http://www.windypundit.com/archives/2009/07/why_eric_turkewitz_still_matte.html" rel="nofollow">a new post</a></p>
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		By: Eric Turkewitz		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1725</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Turkewitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Even if he got the idea from Turkewitz&#039;s&#039;s blog, he probably considers the idea public property because the primary source for the blog post---Sotomeyor&#039;s questionnaire---is available to anyone...&lt;/i&gt;

Well, yes and no. Something might be in the public domain, but it if is buried in a box of other documents, someone still has to go find it. 

Whether this qualifies as that proverbial box of documents is, of course, another question.  I have to assume that, given the high profile nature of the filing, this would have been found by others eventually. 

Except that no one said a word for three weeks afterward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Even if he got the idea from Turkewitz&#8217;s&#8217;s blog, he probably considers the idea public property because the primary source for the blog post&#8212;Sotomeyor&#8217;s questionnaire&#8212;is available to anyone&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Well, yes and no. Something might be in the public domain, but it if is buried in a box of other documents, someone still has to go find it. </p>
<p>Whether this qualifies as that proverbial box of documents is, of course, another question.  I have to assume that, given the high profile nature of the filing, this would have been found by others eventually. </p>
<p>Except that no one said a word for three weeks afterward.</p>
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		By: Mark Draughn		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1724</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Draughn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[shg, Washington times was an editorial, but Turkewitz&#039;s blog was kind of an editorial too.

By the way, I&#039;m not trying to play down the fact that Eric Turkewitz was on this story first. He beat the mainstream media by about three weeks. He wins.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shg, Washington times was an editorial, but Turkewitz&#8217;s blog was kind of an editorial too.</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;m not trying to play down the fact that Eric Turkewitz was on this story first. He beat the mainstream media by about three weeks. He wins.</p>
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		By: Mark Draughn		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1723</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Draughn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, Hi Radley! Yeah, you and everyone else who gets tips.

It&#039;s kind of like the way movie and television studio executives refuse to read unagented scripts. If 500 people send them scripts, chances are that one of them will be close enough to the plot of their next project to lead to a lawsuit, so they never read anything.

Ain&#039;t no thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Hi Radley! Yeah, you and everyone else who gets tips.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like the way movie and television studio executives refuse to read unagented scripts. If 500 people send them scripts, chances are that one of them will be close enough to the plot of their next project to lead to a lawsuit, so they never read anything.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t no thing.</p>
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		By: Mark Draughn		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1722</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Draughn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr X, I don&#039;t have any beef with Radley these days, and it was never really a big deal. In fact, if he reads my blog this will be the first he hears about it.

Some journalists are blog-haters---perhaps because they&#039;ve been attacked in the blogosphere---but I think a lot of journalists these days understand that some bloggers are sources they can use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr X, I don&#8217;t have any beef with Radley these days, and it was never really a big deal. In fact, if he reads my blog this will be the first he hears about it.</p>
<p>Some journalists are blog-haters&#8212;perhaps because they&#8217;ve been attacked in the blogosphere&#8212;but I think a lot of journalists these days understand that some bloggers are sources they can use.</p>
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		By: Radley Balko		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1721</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Radley Balko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I get a link from a single person, I try to credit that person, although sometimes a link will stay open in a browser tab days before I get around to posting it, and I&#039;m sure there are times that I&#039;ve forgotten where I first got the story (sorry!).

But with most stories on my beat--if there&#039;s a wrong door raid in the news, a big police abuse case, a forensics case, etc.--a half dozen or more people will send me the same link before I check my email in the morning, which makes hat-tipping all of them sort of tedious.

There are also of course times when people send me links to stories I&#039;ve already been planning to post about.

But in general, I do try to give credit when someone sends me something I haven&#039;t seen elsewhere. But I&#039;ve also probably neglected to more than a few times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I get a link from a single person, I try to credit that person, although sometimes a link will stay open in a browser tab days before I get around to posting it, and I&#8217;m sure there are times that I&#8217;ve forgotten where I first got the story (sorry!).</p>
<p>But with most stories on my beat&#8211;if there&#8217;s a wrong door raid in the news, a big police abuse case, a forensics case, etc.&#8211;a half dozen or more people will send me the same link before I check my email in the morning, which makes hat-tipping all of them sort of tedious.</p>
<p>There are also of course times when people send me links to stories I&#8217;ve already been planning to post about.</p>
<p>But in general, I do try to give credit when someone sends me something I haven&#8217;t seen elsewhere. But I&#8217;ve also probably neglected to more than a few times.</p>
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		By: shg		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1720</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Washington Times was an editorial though, not a story.  I don&#039;t blame them for not crediting their competition (though sometimes they do), but are you suggesting that blogs are the competition to newspapers?

Maybe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Washington Times was an editorial though, not a story.  I don&#8217;t blame them for not crediting their competition (though sometimes they do), but are you suggesting that blogs are the competition to newspapers?</p>
<p>Maybe.</p>
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		By: Mark Draughn		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1719</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Draughn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[shg, That sort of supports my point. The &lt;i&gt;New York Times&lt;/i&gt; story doesn&#039;t credit the &lt;i&gt;Washington Times&lt;/i&gt; story which came before it either. I don&#039;t think this was a snub of a blogger---Newspapers don&#039;t even credit &lt;i&gt;each other&lt;/i&gt; when they don&#039;t have to. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shg, That sort of supports my point. The <i>New York Times</i> story doesn&#8217;t credit the <i>Washington Times</i> story which came before it either. I don&#8217;t think this was a snub of a blogger&#8212;Newspapers don&#8217;t even credit <i>each other</i> when they don&#8217;t have to. </p>
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		By: Dr X		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1718</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting.  Radley has cited me several times when I&#039;ve emailed a local story to him, though not every time.  I think when a story goes up 15 minutes after email him, it&#039;s reasonable to assume that he got the story from me.

I do think journalists are getting more comfortable with citing bloggers as sources, but they still vary greatly from one to the next.  I would have expected The Times columnists to resist blogger citation across the board, but they seem to be getting comfortable with it.  On the other hand, I think Tribune columnists have been slower to adopt blogger citation practices, even when they are writing their own blogs.  Zorn, for example, seems kind of reluctant to cite sources.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  Radley has cited me several times when I&#8217;ve emailed a local story to him, though not every time.  I think when a story goes up 15 minutes after email him, it&#8217;s reasonable to assume that he got the story from me.</p>
<p>I do think journalists are getting more comfortable with citing bloggers as sources, but they still vary greatly from one to the next.  I would have expected The Times columnists to resist blogger citation across the board, but they seem to be getting comfortable with it.  On the other hand, I think Tribune columnists have been slower to adopt blogger citation practices, even when they are writing their own blogs.  Zorn, for example, seems kind of reluctant to cite sources.</p>
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		By: shg		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1717</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Washington Times, not Post.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/24/sotomayors-ethical-oversight/?feat=home_editorials]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Washington Times, not Post.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/24/sotomayors-ethical-oversight/?feat=home_editorials" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/24/sotomayors-ethical-oversight/?feat=home_editorials</a></p>
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		By: shg		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1716</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Kovaleski was part of the Pulitzer Prize winning team that reported on the Spitzer prostitution scandal. Why would he have to steal from a local blogger to cover a national story?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you think that might be the reason why it&#039;s embarrassing for a &quot;real&quot; journalist to have to get his stories from a lowly blogger.  By the way, the Washington Post did an editorial on the issue a few days earlier, and cited to Turkewitz.  Maybe WaPo didn&#039;t get the memo?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Kovaleski was part of the Pulitzer Prize winning team that reported on the Spitzer prostitution scandal. Why would he have to steal from a local blogger to cover a national story?</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you think that might be the reason why it&#8217;s embarrassing for a &#8220;real&#8221; journalist to have to get his stories from a lowly blogger.  By the way, the Washington Post did an editorial on the issue a few days earlier, and cited to Turkewitz.  Maybe WaPo didn&#8217;t get the memo?</p>
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		By: KipEsquire		</title>
		<link>https://windypundit.com/2009/07/on_the_ethics_of_sourcing_for/#comment-1715</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KipEsquire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regurgitating (regurgiblogging?) a link without the infamous &quot;HT: __&quot; is not &quot;fact checking.&quot; It&#039;s not plagiarism either, of course. But it&#039;s not &quot;fact checking.&quot; It&#039;s just obnoxious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regurgitating (regurgiblogging?) a link without the infamous &#8220;HT: __&#8221; is not &#8220;fact checking.&#8221; It&#8217;s not plagiarism either, of course. But it&#8217;s not &#8220;fact checking.&#8221; It&#8217;s just obnoxious.</p>
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